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Dept. of Political Thinkey-Thoughts

Regarding the Debate Thus Far

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This entry was originally posted at http://kaffyr.dreamwidth.org/423440.html?mode=reply, where there are currently comment count unavailable comments. You can comment there or here; I watch both.

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a_phoenixdragon
Oct. 10th, 2016 03:02 am (UTC)
EXACTLY...O_o

*HUGS*
kaffyr
Oct. 10th, 2016 03:06 am (UTC)
I'm listening to the talking heads, and they're actually talking as if Trump was closer to being reasonable. I can't even....
a_phoenixdragon
Oct. 10th, 2016 03:11 am (UTC)
'I thought he was more on point and more reasonable this debate.'

SERIOUSLY?? No.nononononononononononononoooooo.

UGH.

*headdesk*
kaffyr
Oct. 10th, 2016 03:19 am (UTC)
inorite?
lost_spook
Oct. 10th, 2016 08:33 am (UTC)
I realise there must be considerable PAIN re Trump, but... Lj cut please? (This is also a bit of a disturbing (& large) gif to have slapped on your flist first thing in the morning!)

*hugs you*
kaffyr
Oct. 10th, 2016 12:53 pm (UTC)
I'm so sorry! Although it's a bit like closing the barn door after the horse has gotten out, I've put the cut on it. I was thoughtless, and I apologize.
lost_spook
Oct. 10th, 2016 01:43 pm (UTC)
Oh, don't worry - and not at all, plenty of people are yet to wake up and check their flists! It was just a wee bit freaky. But clearly expressive of the PAIN. You have all my sympathies!!
kaffyr
Oct. 10th, 2016 02:03 pm (UTC)
Well, I should have thought about the fact that the gif might be as unnerving as the reason I put it up. Seriously, I don't know what kind of democracy I'm living in right now.
flowsoffire
Oct. 10th, 2016 06:40 pm (UTC)
…you bet.

kaffyr
Oct. 10th, 2016 06:45 pm (UTC)
Thanks for letting me "scream" - it's necessary to maintain some semblance of political rationality.
flowsoffire
Oct. 10th, 2016 06:50 pm (UTC)
I know the feeling and France doesn't have anything close to a Trump. *sighs* Sometimes you wonder if this shit is even real.

kaffyr
Oct. 10th, 2016 08:48 pm (UTC)
I thought Le Pen was bad (and his daughter has taken up his cause since his death, if I recall correctly), but neither Le Pen has the coarseness and Mussolini-like aspect that Trump has. It's horrible.
flowsoffire
Oct. 11th, 2016 04:58 pm (UTC)
Oh, Jean-Marie Le Pen was pretty awful as far as antisemitism, racism and overall "I'm going to find the thing that will most make you want to throw up and say it"-ness went. (Pétain was quite a fine man, the gas chambers were a detail of history, homosexuality is a biological and social anomaly, the Declaration of Human Rights was the beginning of the decadence of France etc etc. Oh, and torturing people in Algeria was also quite all right. He would know, he did it.) Marine Le Pen has completely normalized the whole thing though, that's the whole point. It's a lot less nauseating, pretty much your regular European populist party now, but it's how she got so close to power.

and his daughter has taken up his cause since his death, if I recall correctly
Oh, but this is where it gets delightful: he's very much alive and kicking—kicking in the general direction of his party and daughter, since she is now too tame for his liking. She had him expelled for some random antisemitic shit he said, which was horrible, but no more and no less horrible than the 1,000+ atrocities he'd spoken before—it gave her a reason to do it though, and now he's sueing everything in sight to get back in. He even made noises about having his own group running in the Assembly elections next year. Against the party he created. It's… thankfully very entertaining, since unlike her, he is no longer in a position to harm anyone by his mere political existence.

But yeah. The point about Le Pen was that he was perfectly happy being horrible in his corner, it was like he didn't even want power as long as he had room to yell his ideas in. It took his much, much cleverer daughter to get anywhere at all. Which is why the parallel with Trump has its limits, and why we can only relate to some extent to the surreal experience the American people is having right now… :/



Edited at 2016-10-11 05:00 pm (UTC)
kaffyr
Oct. 12th, 2016 05:24 pm (UTC)
Oh, but this is where it gets delightful: he's very much alive and kicking

Bad Kathy, for not knowing that! Wow, see what family quarrels can do for the political landscape!

You make an interesting point about Le Pen being perfectly happy being horrible in his corner. I think that perhaps American citizens, particularly American political observers, got lulled into complacency by the thought that our crazies were perfectly happy being horrible in a corner — this despite having seen, again and again since the mid 1980s, that they were oozing out of that corner — and now we're recoiling in horror. More fools, we.
flowsoffire
Oct. 13th, 2016 06:58 pm (UTC)
Bad Kathy, for not knowing that!
You can't know everything ;)

I think that perhaps American citizens, particularly American political observers, got lulled into complacency by the thought that our crazies were perfectly happy being horrible in a corner — this despite having seen, again and again since the mid 1980s, that they were oozing out of that corner — and now we're recoiling in horror. More fools, we.
Yes—it's just that "this can't possibly get really serious" feeling, when people are just so awful or blatantly incapable, their getting anywhere near power appears surreal. And yet we get the nastiest surprises :(
kaffyr
Oct. 14th, 2016 03:04 pm (UTC)
And yet we get the nastiest surprises :(

The only political joy I took this week was in the flood of women finally speaking out about how assaultive (to use a word I wasn't even sure was a word until now) and skeevy Trump had been to them in the past — and, of course, hearing Trump bluster that it was all lies, lies, lies!

But too much schadenfreude in my diet is bound to make me feel sick....
flowsoffire
Oct. 15th, 2016 04:27 pm (UTC)
Hah, yes, I heard all about that too. For some reason I think he should not have loudly told the world he, unlike others, had never actually assaulted a woman. Finally, a lie too big..
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