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Dept. of Political Thinkey-Thoughts

Third Debate


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We have 20 more days to go. Jesus wept.

Oh, and HE WON'T SAY WHETHER HE'LL ACCEPT THE RESULTS OF THE ELECTION.

Yeah. Jesus is still weeping.


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masakochan
Oct. 20th, 2016 05:41 am (UTC)
20 more days to go, but at least we don't have to put up with watching the human equivalent of a spray-tan bottle in debates anymore.

ETA: I already bet that the only way he'd accept the election results is if he won.

Edited at 2016-10-20 05:42 am (UTC)
kaffyr
Oct. 20th, 2016 01:07 pm (UTC)
the human equivalent of a spray-tan bottle

I like what Joss Whedon is supposed to have called him: orange muppet Hitler (although I contend that he's actually closer to Mussolini.)

I'm afraid you're right about what he'd actually accept, but I'm hoping those around him will actually try to restrain him on Nov. 9, rather than encourage his undemocratic insanity.
masakochan
Oct. 20th, 2016 01:26 pm (UTC)
I'm honestly not that scared of his reaction on Nov. 9th. His fans otoh... I just have feeling that there will be a few violent outbreaks. x_X
kaffyr
Oct. 20th, 2016 06:25 pm (UTC)
His fans otoh...

Yeah. Even were he to suddenly turn polite, responsible and sane, and tell everyone not to be violent assholes after he loses, he won't be able to convince the ones he's already stoked to a freanzy.
eaweek
Oct. 20th, 2016 02:53 pm (UTC)
He just can't go away soon enough.

ETA: "Sherlock" gif for the win!

Edited at 2016-10-20 06:20 pm (UTC)
kaffyr
Oct. 20th, 2016 06:26 pm (UTC)
Isn't that a great gif? Someone on my f'list gave me a bunch of wonderful gifs a year or so back, to help me start my collection; I can't recall who it was, unfortunately.
flowsoffire
Oct. 20th, 2016 04:47 pm (UTC)
Time just seems to go slowwwwwwly, doesn't it? Keep hanging on and don't bash your head against the nearest wall :(

kaffyr
Oct. 20th, 2016 06:28 pm (UTC)
This is the first time I have ever wishes for a campaign to come to an end. I am a news person and a political junkie in many ways, and election campaigns have always been wonderful to watch.

Until now.

And thank you for reminding me not to bang my head against a wall. That's become an increasingly attractive possibility this year.

As Orange Muppet Hitler might say in one of his tweets: SAD.
flowsoffire
Oct. 20th, 2016 07:24 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I get you. To be honest, I have the same feeling about French politics at the moment and we're nowhere near Trump levels, but it's just… all that populism and opportunistic personal ambition is driving me crazy. And I love politics too, but at some point you just want to scream at them all to wake up. And it's clearly a widespread trend, what with Brexit and all. It's scary, because there is so much to be done, such huge challenges to be faced and such opportunities as well—it's like we have to reinvent big chunks of our economies and societies, and we have to start doing it now, and you squint for the politician who has vision and get that feeling they all just want to get in office. And then you hear economists and experts throwing around novel and innovative ideas and no one picks them up. My god.

Sorry for the rant. You know it's bad when you start thinking "I really shouldn't be complaining, at least we don't have a senseless orange bigot running for president!". The world's standards are going down XD (Then again, we'd probably have had Dominique Strauss-Kahn for president if we hadn't randomly discovered he wasn't above trying to rape women, so who are we to judge.)

kaffyr
Oct. 21st, 2016 11:32 pm (UTC)
Never apologize for ranting over here - this is, as you may have noticed from time to time, Rant Central. And I'm not sure whether standards are going down, or whether they've always been that way under a thin skin of civility that has gradually been eroding to the point where we can see the nastiness.
flowsoffire
Oct. 22nd, 2016 04:24 pm (UTC)
True :(

And I don't really know, but sometimes I get the feeling that the media (I'm talking mostly TV and the social media craze) doesn't help much. What I mean is, somehow we seem to get stuck with a mindset in which politicians are better off trying to be the one that shouts the loudest and stays the limelight, rather than the one that tries to push forward structured plans. In France it's like every other day, a politician will say one awkward and/or problematic sentence, it'll get pulled right out of context and everyone will spend the week commenting the hell out of it while ignoring every other problem. It's like the Reign of the Sensational or something. And when we do get a few people who try to work out a real project, it's like it just doesn't catch, while the ones who "play the game" get all the attention (both positive and negative, of course). It's kind of disheartening. And it encourages that whole shallow, career-oriented, short-term-benefit attitude in politicians. Can't we ever break out of the catch-22s?!

*hugs*
kaffyr
Oct. 23rd, 2016 06:57 pm (UTC)
What I mean is, somehow we seem to get stuck with a mindset in which politicians are better off trying to be the one that shouts the loudest and stays the limelight, rather than the one that tries to push forward structured plans.

Yes, it's what we call the horse race syndrome. We reporters and editors and opinion writers spend far too much time handicapping the campaign - the horse race - instead of paying attention to the policies each candidate espouses, and writing about those so that readers have the information with which to make up their minds. It's because a horse race is easy, and exciting. Policy comprehension, and the subsequent effort to make those policies equally comprehensible to our readers, is tough. So we don't do it, and that's not only a crying shame, it's almost a crime.

I don't know if we can break out of the cycle. We'd need a lot of brave and creative people at the top of the various media and print journalism heaps; brave, to start doing the right thing and sticking with it, when company bean-counters are saying, "No, you need to talk about the exciting thing, because that's bringing in more ads/clicks/etc.!" And creative, to successfully turn what could be dry policy material into the kind of gripping writing we normally employ as we talk about the horse-race. It is possible to write policy in a gripping manner; we just have to have the will to do it.
flowsoffire
Oct. 24th, 2016 04:18 pm (UTC)
Yes, that's exactly it. I knew that with your media experience you'd have a lot of interesting things to say about the subject ;) But yeah, the temptation of handling things like this is heavy on every party involved. Like you said, it takes a lot of will and hard work!
a_phoenixdragon
Oct. 20th, 2016 07:43 pm (UTC)
I just...can't with The Donald. Can he fire himself? I mean, he already acts like this is the reality show that he is suppose to star in (except he keeps getting upstaged by 'That nasty woman' That's Madame President, to you, sir who is stealing his election...and his Emmy. UGH.

*HUGS*
kaffyr
Oct. 21st, 2016 11:35 pm (UTC)
That's Madame President, to you, sir

*snort* I wouldn't call him sir, but you're being more civilized than I would be.

You make a good point about his attitude ... he does, I think, imagine himself as the star of some reality show, not as the leader of a democracy. What I can't understand are why none of the people around him call him on his shit, even if it means they'll be shown the door. They all have to know the man's not going to win. They're all rats. Shouldn't they be leaving the sinking ship, rather than sticking around?
a_phoenixdragon
Oct. 21st, 2016 11:54 pm (UTC)
LOL! More civilized than he deserves, that's for sure!

His kids believe his bullshit, though there is evidence around them that it is bullshit. It's almost like they were originally gaslighted, now they're in on their own brainwashing...with a vengenance! Makes me wonder if they are deliberately goading him into the inevitable failure, even as it sets fire to their own escape-boat. As for the rest of his 'campaign help', they know they are sunk. Might as well ride him to the bottom, write books about it and get their own back that way. After all, the Trump name=shit now...and he won't have the financial ability to hit back with lawsuits when it is all over.

The GOP is rather finished as well - and they are just busy lasting out their terms, methinks, before remanning for an assault. Too bad the electorate they've been fleecing and fooling for the last 40 years have caught on...because The Orange Dumpster-Fire has outted all their bullshit for exactly what it is. Now they just have to try to save a few Senate seats and cling to the hope that they don't have to rethink (fully) their miserable positions for the last decade.

The Kochs will do what they can to soothe their ruffled feefees with liquid millions...until the House and senate make it harder for the brothers to do that. Then hopefully, they will eventual shuffle off this mortal coil and their progeny will sit back, shut up and live happily off of their billions.

Wow...guess I was feeling the GRR tonight, lol!!

Edited at 2016-10-21 11:54 pm (UTC)
kaffyr
Oct. 23rd, 2016 07:10 pm (UTC)
The GOP is rather finished as well

Ultimately, they won't be; they'll bind their wounds and wait a few years (whether that reaches into the double digits, I don't know), and rise again. I can only hope the party rises in its earlier form of a moderate conservative party, socially un-crazy, and fiscally very conservative. I'd still never vote for someone from that type of Republican party, but it's a party that I reluctantly think is necessary for the American style of democracy to succeed. Having only a single healthy party is bad for the country, as we've increasingly seen during the GOP's meltdown (which I contend has been happening since about 2003, just before Obama's first term. (And they've been going increasingly toxic, of course, since the late 1970s, as Reagan ascended to power, but that's another whole bucket of rancid worms.)
a_phoenixdragon
Oct. 24th, 2016 05:52 pm (UTC)
That's what I'm hoping. Like the turning point that upended George Wallace's campaign (and party!) forcing it to change or die. We DO need opposing views. We need all people represented and find ways to compromise in efforts to bring about change and progress. NOT obstruction, doom-ladened, hate-mongering - which has been at the core of the GOP's rhetoric for the last decade (at the very least!) Nixon started us down this road and Trump is finishing it.
kaffyr
Oct. 25th, 2016 06:31 pm (UTC)
NOT obstruction, doom-ladened, hate-mongering - which has been at the core of the GOP's rhetoric for the last decade (at the very least!)

Oh, you're far too kind. I go back to whenever the hell Grover Norquist got into the game.
beccadg
Oct. 21st, 2016 03:21 am (UTC)
I have just one thing to say--I have never seen a more appropriate use of that Sherlock gif. Okay two--it is perfect.
kaffyr
Oct. 21st, 2016 11:35 pm (UTC)
Heh - thanks; I have a small but carefully curated collection of gifs, and that one cried out for use in this situation.
nucleosides
Oct. 22nd, 2016 01:34 am (UTC)

These debates are actually frightening in how much of a train wreck they have all been on Trump's end. All of them. He hasn't won a single one. He hasn't changed his tactics at all.

If anything, he's digging in his heels and worsening things even more.

kaffyr
Oct. 23rd, 2016 06:58 pm (UTC)
Oh, aye, I agree with you completely. I mean, if he really doesn't see that he's going to go down like a boat anchor, he's living in an even more impenetrable bubble than Romney and his people were four years ago - and they were living in la-la land, as post-election stories and analyses showed.
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