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Thoughts, In No Particular Order

I have been thinking of Leonard Cohen's music today, having been reminded of it via an add on our local jazz radio station for a one-hour remembrance of him. I only got to hear the last 20 minutes or so of it, but it's made me want to listen to his albums, both the early and the later ones. I really want to hear his last one; "You Want It Darker." I heard the title song, and it's Cohen at his elliptical, emotionally unsparing and beautiful best. I don't know what I love about his music more, the words, the imagery, the love he bears for everything he views ... perhaps, too, the past week's events beyond his death have kept him in my head. 

Facebook and Livejournal share the creepy practice of telling you about upcoming birthdays of people who have died. I got one such notification today and was reminded that we all live on, on the internet.

I completed (I think) a conversation over on LJ, in my last post; because I didn't put the post under a lock, this person wandered in and launched into a strong attack on my progressive stance. I decided to try to engage; although the effort wasn't ultimately successful, I'm glad I didn't simply ignore the person. At the very least, he challenged me to think about the best way to respond to his claims. I do worry, from time to time, about living in my own liberal/progressive echo chamber, and requiring myself to step outside that chamber, even if it's just in the tiny way I did with this conversation, is probably a good thing.

BB and I are finally getting into the latest run of anime titles. I'm extremely impressed with one that has the rather unprepossessing English title of "Flip Flappers." I'm not even going to try to describe it, except to say that if you liked FLCL, chances are you'll like this one, too. 

Last night I got the chance to hear Father Michael Pfleger speak in person for the first time. He impressed the hell out of me. 


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lost_spook
Nov. 16th, 2016 12:48 pm (UTC)
I got one such notification today and was reminded that we all live on, on the internet.

GNU Terry Pratchett, I suppose? We're all ghosts along the line, maybe.

And that's, uh, a very gracious way of talking about that encounter. :-/
kaffyr
Nov. 16th, 2016 02:29 pm (UTC)
Not sure what GNU is, but it wasn't Pratchett. It was a friendly acquaintance I'd known peripherally in old-school science fiction fandom. I'd been surprised by her death back when it happened, because she died a day after she posted something (or at least it was close to just a day). Being reminded of her this way was a little jolting.

The encounter was a little taxing, but as I said in my initial response, I'd left the door open by not f'locking the post, so I owed him at least some civility.

Plus, it forced me to really organize my thoughts, something that's welcome no matter what generates the impulse.
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liadtbunny
Nov. 16th, 2016 04:09 pm (UTC)
I quite like the 'Flip Flappers' title, it sounds like a secret gang where they all wear flip flops.
kaffyr
Nov. 16th, 2016 04:18 pm (UTC)
It is a kind of secret gang...but as far as I can tell, the main protagonists, our young heroines, use the phrase "flip-flapping!" to trigger their super powers. And that's not completely the case ... there may be no flip flops, but it being Japan, they might end up wearing geta sandals!
sarren
Nov. 16th, 2016 10:42 pm (UTC)
I was very, very impressed with your reasoned argument and you have helped me frame how to have these same discussions.

My personal resolution from this disaster has been to step out of my echo chamber and find ways to engage with conservatives.
kaffyr
Nov. 17th, 2016 08:18 pm (UTC)
Thanks for your kind words, and if anything I wrote helped, I am pleased. One good thing about the Internet is that it does, if one is calm, allow for carefully planned responses. We often neglect that wonderful option, opting instead for the furious joy of an immediate flaming response, but that generally doesn't help anyone.

sarren
Nov. 19th, 2016 02:14 pm (UTC)
And the time to check facts and sources, which is invaluable for me cos I have a terrible memory.
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earlgreytea68
Nov. 17th, 2016 12:44 am (UTC)
I, like you, have also been trying to engage outside of my "echo chamber." I have been worried that there's something I'm not grasping, not comprehending, about what's going on out there, that I am finding so bewildering.

I admit I have found my attempts to engage extremely unsatisfying, because they usually end in them saying something, and my saying, "...But that's not true," and them saying, "I think it is," and then we're just at an impasse. It hasn't filled me with a ton of hope going forward, I have to admit, but it has really helped to crystallize that I *am* comfortable with my ideas about things.
kaffyr
Nov. 17th, 2016 08:20 pm (UTC)
I admit I have found my attempts to engage extremely unsatisfying, because they usually end in them saying something, and my saying, "...But that's not true," and them saying, "I think it is," and then we're just at an impasse.

Yes. The wholesale, gleeful abandonment of fact-based information processing is one of the many, many horrific aspects of this election cycle, although the problem has been there for a much longer time. We just tried to ignore it - to our detriment, obviously.

I share your lack of comprehension and bewilderment. But I will say that at least the war - and yes, I'm saying that it's a war - between progressives and regressives is finally out there in the open where people can't pretend to ignore it anymore.
nucleosides
Nov. 17th, 2016 06:10 pm (UTC)

Oh yes (to the getting notifications of people who have passed on).

Maybe a quarter of my friends list on here now has since passed on since I'm active in the cystic fibrosis advocacy community. I get those notifications all of the time.

kaffyr
Nov. 17th, 2016 08:22 pm (UTC)
I actually thought of you when this happened; I know from your journal that you have many sad anniversaries to note, of friends who have died. That is a tremendous sadness.
strannik01
Nov. 18th, 2016 05:44 am (UTC)
I completed (I think) a conversation over on LJ, in my last post; because I didn't put the post under a lock, this person wandered in and launched into a strong attack on my progressive stance. I decided to try to engage; although the effort wasn't ultimately successful, I'm glad I didn't simply ignore the person. At the very least, he challenged me to think about the best way to respond to his claims. I do worry, from time to time, about living in my own liberal/progressive echo chamber, and requiring myself to step outside that chamber, even if it's just in the tiny way I did with this conversation, is probably a good thing.

Which is a good approach, IMHO, for the reason you stated. As I commented on Twitter and elsewhere, dating a libertarian didn't persuade me to be more libertarian, but it got me thinking about why I believe what I believe a bit more, and how to address her criticisms. And I like my mom's approach of dealing with conservatives on her LJ - she tries to engage with them, and address misconceptions they may have (this is especially true for nationist-leaning Russians. Propaganda is a powerful thing). Her patience isn't infinite, and aggressive homophobia/insults against people with disabilities is a sure way to get banned, but she does try to engage them.
kaffyr
Nov. 19th, 2016 02:30 am (UTC)
I have a great deal of respect for your mother; I wouldn't have the ability to do what I did with the person I dealt with, if I had to do it all the time.

I have libertarian friends, and they make me crazy enough that I simply don't engage with them at all when it comes to politics. I love them, but they make me crazy.
a_phoenixdragon
Nov. 18th, 2016 12:37 pm (UTC)
I received a notice like that a month ago for a friend who has been gone for...a long, long time. Rather jolted me, really.

I saw that conversation. As always, you were gracious, thoughtful and honest. Bless you, dear.

*HUGS*
kaffyr
Nov. 18th, 2016 03:26 pm (UTC)
you were gracious, thoughtful and honest

Well, I did manage to refrain from calling him/her a reactionary troglodyte with white nationalist tendencies, who should GTFO of my face and my journal. I suppose that counts as something.

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