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Wednesday Observations

1)  I was driving home this afternoon, and I noticed one of those little bobbing-head dogs in the rear window of the car in front of me. Then I realized it was a real dog. A little mop dog, with a little sweater-thing on, poor thing. It was somewhat bigger than the bobbing-head toys, but not that much. His or her head wasn't bobbing. The little thing had its head on its paws, and it looked as if it wanted to be somewhere else. Or perhaps it was just enjoying the sun. I'd like that to be the case. 

2) I'm trying to figure out a way to feed Alex canned pumpkin. All the veterinary advice (from his vet and from Teh Intarwebz) on what might be his particular problem states that feeding a cat canned pumpkin provides much needed fibre and - wait, what? 

Yeah, send me the addresses of cats who actually willingly will eat mashed up vegetable gourds, and I'll show you ... nothing, because, no, there are no cats - No. Cats. Ever. - who will willingly eat pumpkin. I am as sure of this as I am of my own soul. I like pumpkin. I really like pumpkin. But I am not a cat. My cat is a cat. He looked at me with as much disdain as a cat can muster when presented with this. And cats do disdain very well. He actually moved backward to get away from the pumpkin. And, asyouknowbob, cats find it very hard to back up. "Back up" is not in their lexicon. 

Except when they are presented with mashed pumpkin. 

We already know he hates all the various petromalt-type goos that cats are supposed to love. Hah. He eyes that with the same extreme distaste with which he eyed pumpkin. Possibly because we've taken to rubbing the goo on his paws and/or muzzle in a desperate attempt to get it into him by forcing him to clean himself ....

Maybe if I put catnip in the pumpkin?

3) To all those in the world today dealing with war or terror attacks, from Syria to London - my thoughts are with you. 
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amberfocus
Mar. 23rd, 2017 05:17 am (UTC)
Why on Earth would a vet suggest you give vegetables to an animal that is a complete carnivore?
kaffyr
Mar. 24th, 2017 12:33 am (UTC)
Because the poor guy is dreadfully, almost dangerous constipated, which apparently happens to aging cats, especially large ones (and Alex is a huge ginger.) It's not just this vet; I did some online research and found that canned pumpkin was recommended in multiple places. Definitely odd as far as I was concerned but apparently there are other people who have used pumpkin on their cats, as carbonel mentions, below, so I may be forced to take back everything I said about pumpkin, at least in general. Alex is still turning his nose up at it.
amberfocus
Mar. 24th, 2017 01:56 am (UTC)
I guess if you must give pumpkin I'd mix a bit in with raw burger or if you are desperate and he can tolerate flour, mix in some from scratch gravy. Does the cat get enough exercise? That tends to cure constipation more than anything. Maybe some extra string chasing would help. Hope the poor thing is doing better soon.
kaffyr
Mar. 24th, 2017 01:12 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the good wishes. He's an elderly cat and doesn't move much, but I suppose we could try to lure him with string (the other two go nuts for a laser pointer, but he seems indifferent to the little red dot) but it rarely captures his attention. He won't eat raw meat, but he may be interested in raw egg, so I may try mixing that in.
carbonel
Mar. 23rd, 2017 03:11 pm (UTC)
Actually, Pat W WINOLJ feeds pumpkin to one of her cats, and he eats it. (I remembered because I was boggled when she told me.) I don't know if any tricks are involved. I can ask her if this is relevant to your needs. The cat has some medical condition that was treated by extracting most of his teeth -- which also sounded weird to me, but apparently is a thing.
kaffyr
Mar. 24th, 2017 12:35 am (UTC)
This is valuable information all by itself. And since one of our cats had to have one of his fangs taken out - it had rotted and had caused a long term low-grade infection - I can imagine that there would be other reasons to remove kitty teeth.

Alex is very constipated with very, very hard stool, which is apparently what the fibre is supposed to help with.
eaweek
Mar. 23rd, 2017 03:29 pm (UTC)
Cats can be weirdly fussy customers. My mom's present feline won't eat anything that's basically not a freshly-killed creature. You can't get her to eat cooked chicken for love or money, but raw chicken she will eat practically out of your hands. She will hunt, kill, and eat: frogs, rabbits, birds, mice, squirrels, insects, but there are only one or two varieties of cat food she will put down her fussy gullet.

However...

We used to have cat who ate spaghetti.

We used to have a cat who ate mushrooms.

We used to have a cat who would jump up on the stove and eat the middles out of loaves of freshly-baked bread (Mom finally had to put the bread somewhere the cat couldn't reach).

We used to have a cat who only hunted spiders: he would chase them across the floor, mash them up with his fat little paws, and gulp them straight down.

My sister's two cats will jump up on the table and eat anything they can find.

Good luck trying to get your cat to eat pumpkin. The only thing I can suggest is, if you feed him canned cat food, try mixing a tablespoon of pumpkin with his regular food and see how he reacts. I can't honestly see any cat eating pumpkin straight up (unless they're weird, like my sister's). They're (mostly) too carnivorous for that.
kaffyr
Mar. 24th, 2017 12:43 am (UTC)
Heh - those oddities don't surprise me in the least. One of my former kitties, who has since gone to kitty heaven used to go after olives like crazy. One of BB's cats went nuts for figs, of all things. Alex likes ice-cream, even though dairy isn't good for him.

Apparently there are cats out there who eat canned pumpkin in various forms. Weird, but apparently the case.
liadtbunny
Mar. 23rd, 2017 03:55 pm (UTC)
Could you pour fish/meat juices on the pumpkin or mix it with regular cat food or is that defeating the object?
kaffyr
Mar. 24th, 2017 12:45 am (UTC)
A number of people have suggested that to me; it might work for one of our other cats, but Alex doesn't seem to be interested in tuna or any fish. Still, everything's worth a try, and I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be defeating the purpose in the least.
eve11
Mar. 23rd, 2017 04:48 pm (UTC)
My cat eats pumpkin. Well, let me amend. Pumpkin pie. She loves pumpkin pie.

Try mixing it with some milk? Though milk isn't the best for kitties. Try making pumpkin pudding?
kaffyr
Mar. 24th, 2017 12:50 am (UTC)
I'm going to try that; because maybe adding the egg and dairy necessary for pumpkin pudding and pie will make it that much more alluring to Alex. Couldn't hurt.
a_phoenixdragon
Mar. 24th, 2017 03:12 am (UTC)


Like that??

*HUGS*
kaffyr
Mar. 24th, 2017 01:13 pm (UTC)
BWAH!!

Thank you so much for this!

*hugs and kisses*
c_crockett
Mar. 25th, 2017 08:39 pm (UTC)
Poor old cat. George [who lived to be 23] had that issue, and while he was fine with eating cooked squash, it did not seem to help and some vets think it just increases the volume of the problem without relieving constipation. He was weird, he ate everything humans do except raw plants. [He ate both cat-approved veggies, too: grass and catnip.]

Currently, we have one with megacolon, and Storm is on twice daily prescription laxative pills [cisapride], fortunately she loves pill pockets, thinks they're the best cat treats ever, and an over the counter human laxative [restoralax]that gets mixed in with her food. She also gets a bit of water mixed in her food to try to improve her hydration.

We tried a water fountain which sometimes encourages them to drink, but she was not interested.

We used to mix hairball remedy in her food as well, but it didn't seem to make any difference. When we dosed her with the hairball remedy as prescribed, by putting some on her wrist, she shook it off so hard that we never did find it.
kaffyr
Mar. 25th, 2017 09:13 pm (UTC)
Everything seems to come down to the fact that Alex likes nothing outside his dry food except ice cream, which isn't good for him; he drinks like mad, which argues for dehydration, but hasn't changed eating habits, so that argues against the food being the core of the problem (although it might be an exacerbating factor) ... he won't eat the things that might help his stool become softer, he loathes the hairball remedy and does the same thing that your cat did - shake the stuff off the moment it gets on him.

In the end I find myself plaintively saying "I just want him to be comfortable!" and not knowing which way to turn.
c_crockett
Mar. 25th, 2017 10:17 pm (UTC)
We had a foster who only ate kibble and catnip. He didn't need meds, fortunately, but we tried in vain to find a food bribe that worked, because there was a chance it might make addressing his behavioural issues easier. Simon did eventually get less bitey, and he finally, after about a year and a half, got adopted a couple of weeks ago. [And promptly bit his new human, who was chill about it, to my great relief.]

We're lucky Storm is good about eating whatever we set in front of her, even prescription food with water and two kinds of meds mixed in. It may have something to do with her having raised multiple litters as a stray. She's certainly an extremely effective mouser and bug-hunter.
kaffyr
Mar. 25th, 2017 11:09 pm (UTC)
Phil, the stray we rescued off the street, after he'd been attacked by a dog, is the one of our trio who's most apt to eat almost any damned thing. I think being on the street convinces any animal that the next meal might be their last, so eat up NOW.
c_crockett
Mar. 26th, 2017 12:07 am (UTC)
Yeah, George the almost-totally-omnivorous cat had been a stray, he loved french fries but would eat anything cooked, once diving snout-first into some nuked, utterly plain, sweet potatoes. He had more tolerance for hot peppers than I do, which is saying a lot.
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