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Dept. of Goodbye, Eleventy

The Time of the Doctor

Saw it.
Liked it.
Laughed.
Gasped.
Cried.
May soon love it.
Cried more.
The term "lace-maker" is starting to append itself to my interior description of The Moff, of which more, anon.
This one is, therefore, a lace-maker's delight, a thing of beauty and worth, and something through which wind can blow for good or ill.

And that's about what I can say for now, at least partly because I'm back to work. (In my home office wearing THE TARDIS BATHROBE MY SON GOT ME FOR CHRISTMAS w00t!!!1! ... yeah, but working)

No, wait. There's one other thing I can say ... Matt. Smith. Rules. And so does the Eleventh/Thirteenth Doctor. Peter Capaldi will be fantastic, brilliant, scrumptious, to use all the words his predecessors used. But give me a while to mourn the man who crept up and became My Doctor.

Also? Cried.



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eve11
Dec. 26th, 2013 10:06 pm (UTC)
Yes to all of this. YES! I can't help it; I even love the silly ridiculous uncomfortable bits. And yes, Matt Smith rules! I am going to miss him. Must apply fanfic.

kaffyr
Dec. 28th, 2013 01:45 am (UTC)
Must apply fanfic.

Oh, lord; I want to read it. But it will probably make me cry more. And I don't need that.
elisi
Dec. 26th, 2013 10:46 pm (UTC)
Please explain 'lace-maker'?

Otherwise, then I'm still trying to process. But I wrote this. Short. Sort of a coda?

kaffyr
Dec. 28th, 2013 01:49 am (UTC)
Please explain 'lace-maker'?

See, this is what comes of thinking something so often one thinks it's perfectly understandable to everyone outside your own cerebrum. I can only plead that I sometimes think the Moff does it too. Heh.

But at least as a beginning, here's what I wrote to kerravonsen over on Dreamwidth:

The quickest way to explain what I mean, at least partly, is that lace is beautiful, because it's essentially a pattern of tiny frames around openings. Through those openings you can see other things.

In my head, some writers write lace, especially if they come from the fannish tradition, or are familiar with it, or work to some degree with it. When you write lace, you're almost inviting implicit collaboration from those who see your story, because readers, viewers, et al, can, if they choose, fill in those portions of the lace that they feel shouldn't be lace; that they feel should actually become whole cloth.

And those implicit collaborators have the space in which to build, to weave, to view backstory, etc.

At its harshest, lacemaker writing could, I suppose, be considered lazy writing, asking the readers or viewer to do all the heavy lifting. At its best, however, it is, as I said, (or could be considered, at least) an implicitly collaborative story telling device.

I place many myths and fairy tales in the "lacemaker" category, because we are invited to understand all the things that happen between the time that the goose girl first speaks to the horse's head the time when the horse's head was enabled to speak. Or the time between when Rapunzel was cast out of the tower and her prince was blinded, and the time they come together, finally, in the forest.

Or any time that mythic or fairytale rules are brought in to play in a plot. Fairy tale and myth rules are the threads of lace with which we build things of beauty that are, nevertheless, very fragile.

Uhm. Or something like that. It's all a stew in my head at the moment.
lyricwrites
Dec. 29th, 2013 01:49 am (UTC)
This is far more elegant than my version, which was, "I don't know, I think Moffat sort of, as in, he writes partly for the ficcers? I think? You're supposed to fic in extra bits? Not necessarily on paper, but kind of, I dunno . . . can I even use 'fic' as a verb?"

Lacemaking. That's lovely.
kaffyr
Dec. 29th, 2013 02:20 am (UTC)
Yes, but you put it succinctly - and that's a talent I lack and sorely wish I had. Heh. (Glad you liked the simile. Or analogy, or whatever the hell it is.)
elisi
Dec. 29th, 2013 02:59 pm (UTC)
This all makes perfect sense, thank you. And it helps explain things like those people who cannot understand lace - who are unable to see the pattern, as it were, and need a whole cloth or 'there are just things missing'. People who needed the scene with River & the Doctor in The Name of the Doctor in order to understand that yes, the Doctor really loved River an awful, awful lot. I didn't need to see it, although I will be forever grateful that we did.

Or, to quote one of the bits of meta I have on my sidebar, which says the same thing, except with Spike & Buffy:

"Even if we hadn’t seen Buffy’s face shining in the most perfect, absolute expression of love in that final scene – didn’t everything that Buffy and Spike were to each other already tell us very, very clearly that they loved each other? And if you don’t see that – didn’t already see that, long before this scene – then, goodness, we’re not watching the same show."
the_royal_anna


So thank you, for giving me a new metaphor for how I view shows. ♥
kaffyr
Dec. 30th, 2013 05:14 am (UTC)
Sometimes lace is inappropriate for the job; sometimes wool is needed, or velvet, or a judicious mix of all three. Hell, sometimes stories beg for sailcloth. I can look at Moffat's work and say "You probably shouldn't write solely in lace, but I can't stop you, and I'm one of the people who actually loves lace, so write away, and I'll be here cheering you on. Just don't expect me not to raise an eyebrow occasionally. I may even tell you you're full of shit upon times."

Glad to provide a new metaphor, though!
jjpor
Dec. 26th, 2013 10:47 pm (UTC)
I liked it a lot too. I'm willing to acknowledge its flaws, particularly as regards some of the plot points relating to the Silence etc, but unlike the people who seem not to have liked it, I don't think those were really important. Matt Smith was brilliant; Eleven got a hero's ending and didn't whinge about not wanting to go when put to the test. Result, as far as I'm concerned. And Capaldi looks like he's going to be magnificent. :)
kaffyr
Dec. 28th, 2013 01:59 am (UTC)
Matt Smith was brilliant; Eleven got a hero's ending and didn't whinge about not wanting to go when put to the test.

This. So very much this. I was so very happy when I saw him growing old, defending Trenzalore and Christmas against everyone who got down there, past the Church's defenses. He was making toys for kids and trying to keep a balance; after all, he'd just figured out a way to keep his people from being incinerated, and he'd rather stay 300 years in one place (or longer!) to prevent them coming back to get incinerated again. He couldn't bring himself to completely ignore them ... he was so very Eleven, and so very right!

(I actually understood the idea of the breakaway Church sect trying to take things into its own hands, and failing miserably in S5 and S6. And I find the idea of confessors who you forget confessing to delightfully subversive. It's one way of keeping your flock constant. They keep trying to confess, forgetting that they've confessed, and coming back to you, telling you all their secrets. A very interesting way to maintain power.)
ladymercury_10
Dec. 27th, 2013 04:36 am (UTC)
The term "lace-maker" is starting to append itself to my interior description of The Moff
I'm not entirely sure I know what you mean by this, but it just seems right somehow.
kaffyr
Dec. 29th, 2013 12:57 am (UTC)
The term has engendered a lot of discussion, which I"m both tickled and gobsmacked by. Some of the discussion over on my Dreamwidth account is kind of interesting. And I am so glad it seems right to you. I'm still letting it simmer in my head, and may develop it further.
clocketpatch
Dec. 27th, 2013 05:14 am (UTC)
Lace-maker makes me laugh. Oh Moff, you make beautiful things... but they've got holes in them the size of planets. Maybe Twelve will get a tighter pattern?

Eleven was a class act, start to finish, and he will be dearly missed. Overall, I liked his last episode. It was enjoyable, even if large portions of it didn't actually make much sense.
kaffyr
Dec. 29th, 2013 02:12 am (UTC)
Lace-maker makes me laugh. Oh Moff, you make beautiful things... but they've got holes in them the size of planets. Maybe Twelve will get a tighter pattern?

Just as long as there are a few pieces of latticework left through which we can peer and imagine. Heh.

Eleven was indeed a class act. I liked him from the beginning, but my affection grew so quickly it left me a bit breathless.
mack_the_spoon
Dec. 27th, 2013 01:06 pm (UTC)
A lot of the Moffat era hasn't been quite my cup of tea, but I rather enjoyed this one. Sweetly sentimental without being maudlin, and fun besides. I was very pleased with Eleven's send-off, and will certainly miss him.
(Also, Orla Brady as Tasha Lem! I loved her on Fringe, and was glad to love her here again.)
kaffyr
Dec. 29th, 2013 02:14 am (UTC)
Oh, I'm so glad that you liked Eleven's swan song! I know a lot of people didn't become as fond of The Moff as I did (much to my surprise, I assure you.) And I appreciate those people, like you, who continued watching despite that, because they loved Who.

I've not watched Fringe, so I wasn't familiar with Orla Brady. I definitely liked her in this, though.
mack_the_spoon
Dec. 29th, 2013 03:16 am (UTC)
Yeah, I never disliked Eleven, so it was going to take more than writing I found a little annoying to stop me from watching! I hope Matt Smith gets to come back at some point.

I'm sure I've mentioned it, but if you ever get the chance, I'm pretty sure you'd like Fringe. ;)
promethia_tenk
Dec. 31st, 2013 02:48 am (UTC)
Seconding the recommendation for Fringe!

I like to maintain that Moff Who, Once Upon a Time, and Fringe are all the same show. They each do certain things better, of course, but if you enjoy the thematic preoccupations of one, you're gonna enjoy the others ; )
namarie24
Dec. 27th, 2013 01:17 pm (UTC)
I will definitely miss Eleven a lot. I think he got a rather good sendoff, though, and I liked most of the Christmas special.

Looking forward to Capaldi!
kaffyr
Dec. 29th, 2013 02:16 am (UTC)
Oh, I am definitely looking forward to Capaldi; in fact, I'm sorry we have to wait eight months for his first adventure. I think Clara may have a chance to shine more with this doctor, too.
namarie24
Dec. 29th, 2013 10:33 am (UTC)
Yes, eight months is far too long to wait!

And I hope Clara does get a better chance to shine with Capaldi, since I don't feel like I've really connected with her much so far.
kaffyr
Dec. 30th, 2013 05:15 am (UTC)
I haven't connected with her yet, either, although the last two episodes she was in went a long way toward building the connection. And I think with her very own new Doctor, there might be some real possibilities.
robling_t
Dec. 27th, 2013 11:14 pm (UTC)
As a lace knitter and a writer, that actually makes a lot of sense as a description: there are points along the way when you think "this is never going to turn out" (especially when you make mistakes and have to cross your fingers that nobody will notice where you fixed it), it doesn't look like much until it's done and then it still doesn't look like much... but then you throw it into the water, and stretch it out to dry, and then, then, all the months and years of work suddenly turn into something that makes your friends go, "seriously, you MADE that??!?" So, um... yeah, totally get you here. :)
kaffyr
Dec. 29th, 2013 02:21 am (UTC)
Cool! Another interpretation, and one that I think works beautifully!
kerravonsen
Dec. 29th, 2013 06:50 am (UTC)
I adore your icon.
radiolaires
Jan. 2nd, 2014 04:24 pm (UTC)
It was beautiful.
Lace-maker! Fantastic term, especially if you consider Moffat is a bit of a show-off (in a good way) and that his lace is closer to Gothic cathedral lace...

(Also TARDIS bathrobe? Yeah, that's fabulous!)
a_phoenixdragon
Jan. 5th, 2014 03:33 am (UTC)
THIS POST (except for the bathrobe. I am jealous. Highly so!)

GODS...I will lways love him. He is MY Doctor. I'm just...

Can I be in denial a while longer?

Also - Eleven as Thirteen. You know that makes him the Valeyard, right? Which makes the whole regeneration make so much more sense!!

*HUGS*
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