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It's the Vortex, Stupid
Here's a thought that I've been playing with for a while. I'm not certain if it's a literary conceit, a gedanken experiment with concepts about human souls and the Big Bang, or sleep deprivation.

So, she said, tell me what you think...

Past and Future are just stage names for Memory and Imagination. Memory and Imagination are the parents of dreams.

Dreaming is, therefore, our only way to travel in, or master time. Or perhaps without memory or imagination we are stuck in time.

Too much Doctor Who, perhaps?

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gerisullivan
Aug. 31st, 2007 12:34 am (UTC)
I think I'm too literal for it. The Past existed whether or not a particular person remembers it. Indeed, it existed even if no one remembers it. Memory helps us remember Past, but it is not itself Past.

Imagination can go in any direction -- Past, Present, or Future.

As for time travel, that falls into the realm of Physics. Memory and Imagination might well help humankind achieve time travel if, indeed, it turns out to be possible. At least some of my casual physics reading suggests it is. But I think that's a separate thing all together from Dream.

Like I said, I think I'm too literal for this.

Memory gives us access to our REM-sleep dreams. And imagination helps fuel our life's dreams as well as those we have while sleeping.
kaffyr
Sep. 1st, 2007 05:31 pm (UTC)
Your reply brought me down from the gingerbread festooned widow's walk of fancy and sat me down, firmly, at the kitchen table of common sense. Half of me wants to bark at you and march right back upstairs - and the other half acknowledges that the kitchen table is, indeed, where one gets the most nutrition.

I guess I've gotten into the habit of thinking that quantum physics is a get out of reality free card. Or something. And I know you'll excuse me if I like perching on that widow's walk of an evening.

As for your literal bent? You have creativity aplenty - which, one supposes, is the reason YOU WON THE FRAKKIN' HUGO - WOOOOOOOT!!!!!! CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!! YOU RAWWWKKKK!!!!!!
cathica
Oct. 2nd, 2007 11:24 pm (UTC)
(Is there really such a thing as too much Doctor Who?? Nah.) To me, your post looks like the start of a fine story, and I wouldn't mind reading another chapter. btw, I came in here to ask you a favour--would you mind if I added you to my LJ friends list?
kaffyr
Oct. 2nd, 2007 11:40 pm (UTC)
Well, the wording of this actually did come out of some musings I included in one of my stories ("Doctor Spin" over at Teaspoon); in fact, it sparked that story, although the story ended up going in a slightly different direction. And it *has* been tugging at me, continuing to beg to be part of another story. Perhaps, perhaps, little idea of mine....

I'd be honored to be part of your LJ friends' list.
maruad
Oct. 12th, 2007 01:46 am (UTC)
I think if the past and future could be accessed from the present then reality is a fixed unchangable constant and it is only our varying perspectives that give the illusion of change and time.

If reality is changing and time flow is part of it then the possiblilty of accessing the past and future from our current time is an illusion

Hope that makes sense. I don't really know if it is right.
kaffyr
Oct. 14th, 2007 03:38 pm (UTC)
This really made me stop and think - and, yes, it makes sense. Unfortunately.

I somehow need to come up with a cosmic patch to fix that equation, at least for the purposes of my fics. And probably for real life, too (Or what passes for real life with me.) Because, yeah, I'd like to think that accessing past and future doesn't mean reality is fixed.

Hmmm. Perhaps it merely means that any past and future we access would be fixed only while we're access them, and flux right out again after we leave - hence ensuring that we couldn't change either the past or the future. That, in retrospect, would be all that allows us to "travel" in time. Oh dear. I think I'm getting a little Dinosaur Beach there.
maruad
Oct. 14th, 2007 08:13 pm (UTC)
Ok how is this as a 3rd option. The past is fixed, the future is variable, we can have the illusion of travel/interaction with the past future. These illusions of change may allow us to affect changes now to allow that future to come to pass. Or is that what you just said?

I have found on occasion, during an emotional crisis, when I have felt that I have been in this situation before and that certain things would occur if I reacted/didn't react in specific ways. Since these were negative outcomes, I always acted in ways I felt would allow me to avoid them. Probably just a bit of disassociation with whatever was going on.
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