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Just A Thought on Fights on Film or Television

It seems to me that almost any fight, particularly comic-book fights, superhero fights, action film fights, would be shorter, less flashy, and more successful for whoever undertook the final move, if the person determined to win focused almost solely upon kneeing their opponent, hard, in the groin.

(I am reliably informed by those whose business it would be to be in the know that even wearing a cup is not necessarily proof against such a move, given that kicking, punching, or otherwise banging a cup hard enough would cause painful repercussions inside the cup.)

This might not work as well against a female opponent, I'll grant you. However, having landed on the cross-bar of what was once called a boy's bike more than once myself, and having experienced the breath-stopping impact of that, I'm willing to bet it mightn't be as ineffective against women as all that. 

As you can imagine, this has lessened my appreciation of even the most gloriously choreographed fights I've witnessed on the big or small screen lately.
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clocketpatch
May. 10th, 2016 03:54 am (UTC)
Too true that. Heh.
kaffyr
May. 10th, 2016 05:18 pm (UTC)
Yeah. Over on Dreamwidth, owlboy mentioned that in a real fight, instructors warn against trying for that shot in case you miss and lose your balance. That makes sense in the real world, but in a fight between an assassin like Natasha, who's trained to kill, not to be "sporting," my guess is that she could get that shot quite nicely; perhaps not immediately, but certainly within the first minute or so of a fight.
liadtbunny
May. 10th, 2016 02:27 pm (UTC)
I think that too, but fight choreography is more a work of art these days? Plus I'm distracted by the unrealisticly loud sound effects.
kaffyr
May. 10th, 2016 05:21 pm (UTC)
Oh, fight choreography is the entire reason why supposedly gifted fighters like Natasha Romanov can't bring opponents to their knees almost immediately. A movie fight wouldn't be interesting the way I imagine it; it would just be successful.

Yes, I amuse myself inordinately, why do you ask? Heh.
eaweek
May. 10th, 2016 05:17 pm (UTC)
I've often sat through fight scenes on the big screen, wondering why one character didn't nail their opponent in the 'nads. I think in the first Bourne movie, Jason was running up a flight of stairs, a security goon was coming down, and Jason punched the guard in the nuts. I think Natasha has used that move at least once. Obviously, if the director wants the scene to play out for X amount of time, having it end too quickly won't work.
kaffyr
May. 10th, 2016 07:21 pm (UTC)
I agree with everything you say (although I haven't seen the Bourne movies, so I'll take your word on that. Smart Bourne!)

And of course I know that cinematic fights will never be like this, unless it's a fight that gets played for laughs (and why this always gets a laugh, especially from an audience with guys in it, is a mystery to me, but it always seems that way), or because something else has to happen in a hurry. Possibly because the fights are designed with the same audience that laughs at "'nad shots" in mind.

Edited at 2016-05-10 07:24 pm (UTC)
carbonel
May. 10th, 2016 07:02 pm (UTC)
Also, especially for TV females, if you have managed to get the drop on your kidnapper/attacker/whatever and are still in fear of your life, finish him off. Do not just trust that because he's prone on the floor now, he will stay that way. Make sure of it. This sounds bloodthirsty, but it's just practical.
kaffyr
May. 10th, 2016 07:23 pm (UTC)
Definitely. I don't know if, in real life, I could do that, but I think I'd try to force myself to do it. Possibly by dropping the heaviest thing I could find on the Designated Bad Guy's head. More than once (whilst taking care not to look at whatever potential ruin might be under the heavy item when I lifted it the first, second, or third time. I'm squeamish that way.)
azalaisdep
May. 10th, 2016 09:57 pm (UTC)
I remember reading a fascinating article somewhere once about real sword-duelling versus film/theatre versions - I think I was researching for a fic, funnily enough ;-) - and reading that in reality, such duels would generally involve an awful lot of circling/eyeing each other up, followed by a *very* short and furious flurry of blows far too fast to follow with the eye, at the end of which one or other swordsman would be either disarmed or dead. This, of course, doesn't make for much of a visual spectacle, hence the Errol Flynn/Princess Bride/Pirates of the Caribbean school of Silly Swordfighting :-)
kaffyr
May. 12th, 2016 02:27 pm (UTC)
I think I've read similar descriptions, which make sword fighting sound quite a bit like baseball (a lot of waiting, then a short burst of frantic team activity if the batter actually hits a fair ball.) I think people could also get a hint of the pace of real sword-fighting by looking at a fencing match, which generally follows the pattern you describe.

But give up on Errol Flynn and Basil Rathbone in that glorious "Adventures of Robin Hood" battle? Never!
a_phoenixdragon
May. 11th, 2016 12:43 pm (UTC)
Hee!! Utter agreement!! And I've been kicked there...not the most pleasant experience in the world - and yeah, it is definitely a stopper move!

*HUGS*
kaffyr
May. 12th, 2016 02:29 pm (UTC)
It's amazing how the feeling, or at least echoes of it, can reverberate down the years - almost half a century in my case. Yeah, not good for women, either.

*hugs back*
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